secretary of transportation under president george w. bush, mayor, council, there is no question that the best job was mayor of san jose. and i remember when there was commotion by my secretary's desk. so i saddled up to the door to listen. and this person was banging on alice wagner's desk saying i want to talk to the mayor and i don't want to talk to anybody lower than the mayor. that's when i stepped out from behind the door and said there is nobody lower than the mayor. [ laughter ] and whatever you are here for, the answer is no. no, that's not what i meant to say mr. mayor. but to me i wish more members of congress had the experience of people and local governments. 80% come from state governments where they have been doing the same thing they do in congress. vote yes, vote no. they have never been part of the or being at the other end of the legislative pipeline trying to make these programs work. >> to me one of the interesting things about that panel was that there was a japanese american one of the first asians to be mayor of a